http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365 It's all about the mobile web Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:44:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-718978 Voos Baratos Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:28:37 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-718978 It will make it obsolete like any kind of info technology today will be replaced. I think the mobile web is great, but it is a stripped down version of the real thing, so the quicker you have the "real" thing on the IPhones or similar things the better it will be! http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-716312 Algarve Portugal Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:42:49 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-716312 The iPhone is quickly spreading but it doesn't mean that all manufacturer will make phones with a full html browser in them, we will probably still see the mobile versions for a long long time! Here in Portugal everything comes a few years after, so we are in for a long wait :) http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-240514 shashi bellamkonda Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:07:29 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-240514 I agree that there is atleast short term need for seperate websites for PC and mobile. Who knows in 3 years we have foldable screens that you can unwrap and browse the internet ? BuildMymobi is a easy website builder for small busiensses without much technical knowledge to build a separate mobile website for their business. It can aslo detect the browser ad redirect PC requests to the main website. I hope small business embrace the mobile web. http://www.BuildMyMobi.com
BuildMymobi is a easy website builder for small busiensses without much technical knowledge to build a separate mobile website for their business. It can aslo detect the browser ad redirect PC requests to the main website. I hope small business embrace the mobile web.

http://www.BuildMyMobi.com]]> http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-188276 The Mobile Web Experience | StayGoLinks Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:36:55 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-188276 [...] The third article accepts these realities in discussing solutions. WAP Review suggests that Transcoders and the iPhone do not make the Mobile Web obsolete. As they point out: Purpose built mobile sites can work around the limitations to give the best [...] http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-183210 David Harper Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:19:58 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-183210 I'll start by quoting two people that said it quite nicely... Cameron Moll, "This is a desktop-mentality approach — that sites are viewed “correctly” first on the desktop, and that they should then be viewed the same on anything else." Gaddo F Benedetti, "[W]hat sells the mobile Web is not how it is similar to the desktop Web, but how it differs. The mobile Web is a phenomenal platform to build and exploit applications. But until even we, the industry who build them, stop thinking of it as primarily “the Internet on your phone”, both users and clients will see it as little more than a poor man’s browser." IMHO - There will always be a need for "sites for small places" - irregardless of what that small place is (any device w/internet connection) or the definition of what a "site" is (mobile site, app, or widget) - form factors, time of day, location (Where are you?, Where are you heading?), or mode (moving or standing still, working or having fun) - each drive a need for a relevant mobile and mobile aware experience. ...and in spite of the iPhone's full Internet browsing capabilities are not the use of "widgets" an acknowledgement of how access to the "desktop web" is only part of the solution?
Cameron Moll, "This is a desktop-mentality approach — that sites are viewed “correctly” first on the desktop, and that they should then be viewed the same on anything else."

Gaddo F Benedetti, "[W]hat sells the mobile Web is not how it is similar to the desktop Web, but how it differs. The mobile Web is a phenomenal platform to build and exploit applications. But until even we, the industry who build them, stop thinking of it as primarily “the Internet on your phone”, both users and clients will see it as little more than a poor man’s browser."

IMHO - There will always be a need for "sites for small places" - irregardless of what that small place is (any device w/internet connection) or the definition of what a "site" is (mobile site, app, or widget) - form factors, time of day, location (Where are you?, Where are you heading?), or mode (moving or standing still, working or having fun) - each drive a need for a relevant mobile and mobile aware experience.

...and in spite of the iPhone's full Internet browsing capabilities are not the use of "widgets" an acknowledgement of how access to the "desktop web" is only part of the solution?]]> http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-183089 Sean Owen Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:29:42 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-183089 No. Not in the near future anyway. But quite obviously no, so I'm glad everyone's in agreement here. There two arguments here are at odds: the iPhone argument is that mobile devices like iPhone are really desktop browsers, and their magic removes input and screen size limits. iPhone is great, but nobody actually thinks of it as roughly equivalent to a desktop PC. Given the choice you would prefer the PC, I'm sure; you wouldn't sit in front of your Mac and browse on the iPhone. The "portable desktop web" exists and it is called a laptop. The second argument is that transcoding or other client-server adaptation systems will adjust big sites to fit within the limitations of a mobile device, which is actually a bit at odds with the first argument. It says, no, mobile devices won't be able to access the desktop web directly, but, can do so with some careful automated trimming. Transcoders out there do an amazing job of picking a usable page out of sites that well, not even very usable on the desktop. :) When the site in question is informational, the transcoders are near flawless at getting you the info you want. When it's an interactive site (think Hotmail?) they're hopeless. Transcoders help *supplement* the mobile web experience quite admirably, but do not an experience make. Together these arguments are less than their sum, so I answer "no". Google itself attempts a two-pronged strategy; you see most mobile devices go to a minimal, customized mobile search interface, and I think you will see high end devices, ah, carefully directed to desktop versions of sites where appropriate. (IMHO the "simple" google.com/m interface looks absolutely perfect on iPhone.) This is still a small number of devices. So please, keep making those mobile sites. Almost all phones we see work best with a mobile-specific experience.
The second argument is that transcoding or other client-server adaptation systems will adjust big sites to fit within the limitations of a mobile device, which is actually a bit at odds with the first argument. It says, no, mobile devices won't be able to access the desktop web directly, but, can do so with some careful automated trimming. Transcoders out there do an amazing job of picking a usable page out of sites that well, not even very usable on the desktop. :) When the site in question is informational, the transcoders are near flawless at getting you the info you want. When it's an interactive site (think Hotmail?) they're hopeless. Transcoders help *supplement* the mobile web experience quite admirably, but do not an experience make.

Together these arguments are less than their sum, so I answer "no". Google itself attempts a two-pronged strategy; you see most mobile devices go to a minimal, customized mobile search interface, and I think you will see high end devices, ah, carefully directed to desktop versions of sites where appropriate. (IMHO the "simple" google.com/m interface looks absolutely perfect on iPhone.) This is still a small number of devices. So please, keep making those mobile sites. Almost all phones we see work best with a mobile-specific experience.]]> http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-182930 James Pearce Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:27:32 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-182930 Agree, but not only because of the screen size / input device / page weight / markup gymnastics arguments. Humans using a mobile phone are in a very different context to those at a PC. So how on earth can sites providing services to sedentary web users exceed, by default, the expectations of those who are mobile? It's a fact oft forgotten: people just want to different stuff when they are out and about. Form follows function. Transcoders adapt form, not function. No wonder users on the other side of the mobile screen feel dissatisfied! (similar points made <a href='http://dotmobi.typepad.com/dotmobi/2007/07/does-the-iphone.html' rel="nofollow">here</a>)
Humans using a mobile phone are in a very different context to those at a PC. So how on earth can sites providing services to sedentary web users exceed, by default, the expectations of those who are mobile?

It's a fact oft forgotten: people just want to different stuff when they are out and about.

Form follows function. Transcoders adapt form, not function.

No wonder users on the other side of the mobile screen feel dissatisfied!

(similar points made here)]]> http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365&cpage=1#comment-182618 Scott Rafer at Winksite » Blog Archive » Winksite’s Billion Phone Rule Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:59:02 +0000 http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=365#comment-182618 [...] an Apple fanboy. However, I’m a hardware substance abuser, not a Pollyanna. Neither is WAP Review nor, at least in this case , is Dave Winer. However, Forrester is living indefinitely far in the [...]